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mayfieldh

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Post Office Inside ACE Hardware
« on: June 02, 2014, 07:48:48 AM »
I was at an ACE Hardware on the weekend picking up some things I needed to do a pipe repair and noticed that there is a Post Office inside of the store.  If I wanted to purchase some stamps from the post office while I was in the store, could I legally do that while I had my weapon on me.  I know that you are NOT supposed to carry INTO a post office, but what if there is one inside a store.  If the store has contract this space out, do the rules still apply.

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TexasLawShield

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Re: Post Office Inside ACE Hardware
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2014, 03:10:36 PM »
Thanks for the question mayfieldh.

You can carry into the store, however, technically, you could not enter into the space leased by the post office.  Therefore, if you were to carry to buy stamps while you were in the store, technically you would be in violation of the law. However, we are unaware of any situations where a person has been prosecuted for this.

Hope that helps.
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Staidan

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Re: Post Office Inside ACE Hardware
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2014, 08:31:01 AM »
I'm aware of the USPS's "Contract Postal Units" (http://about.usps.com/suppliers/becomin ... l-unit.htm).  The employees are typically NOT federal employees, and the property is NOT federal property.  It seems like there would be a legal difference between providing a "federal service" and operating on "federal property".  Thoughts?
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mayfieldh

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Re: Post Office Inside ACE Hardware
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2014, 11:01:05 AM »
Staidan, I was thinking the same thing since the person who was working behind the desk had an ACE Hardware uniform on.
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Re: Post Office Inside ACE Hardware
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2014, 02:19:46 PM »
39 CFR Part 232.1(l) states that no person, while on postal property, may carry a firearm. It does not specifically say the space has to be leased, owned, or just used by the federal government.

Therefore, technically looking at the black letter law, a person may be in violation of they are in the space being used as a post office.
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Staidan

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Re: Post Office Inside ACE Hardware
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2014, 04:00:15 PM »
Well, that's just stupid!!  Lol.  Thanks for the insight.  I'll be careful to avoid those places; but since we do everything online now anyways, it won't be difficult.

Edit...

So, the descriptions of the USPS Contract Postal Unit specifically state that "The supplier's space cannot be owned or leased by the US Postal Service."  I read that to mean it is NOT federal/USPS property.  In another place it states, "These units provide full service retail products and services to postal customers at U.S. Postal Service prices. They are housed within a supplier facility and are operated and managed by supplier employees."  It seems as if the descriptions contradict what may be specified, or at least implied, in the law?

And another question...  If I were to own one of these Contract Postal Units, hosted within my privately owned business, I presumably then would not be able to carry my CHL gun to provide that service, even if I am able to in the rest of my business property?  

Not that I'm picking a semantics fight, lol.  Just curious how this one plays out.  :)
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Re: Post Office Inside ACE Hardware
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2014, 03:25:08 PM »
To be sure, you would need to look at whose name the lease is held in. If it is held by an independent contractor who simply has the ability to sell postal products, then firearms would not be prohibited.

If you were to own one of these Contract Postal Units, the property would not be owned or leased by the U.S. Postal Service, and therefore you would be able to carry.
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Re: Post Office Inside ACE Hardware
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2014, 02:48:13 AM »
Thanks for the post. I am at the Ace hardware recently, I had experience mail service and the service is good it takes days to get the package. Well, I have heard the U.S. Postal service has been in monetary trouble for several years. It is only getting worse. Part and parcel to the issue is the yearly $5.5 billion payment the agency makes to its retired workers health fund and the currently due Postal service fund payment is going to get defaulted on.  If you need extra cash, a payday loan can help.
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Re: Post Office Inside ACE Hardware
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2014, 05:39:25 AM »
Quote from: TexasLawShield
To be sure, you would need to look at whose name the lease is held in. If it is held by an independent contractor who simply has the ability to sell postal products, then firearms would not be prohibited.

I assume this is the case at Kroger when I buy stamps at the check-out counter.  I am always carrying when shopping at Kroger.  So I take it that there is no problem as far as the law in concerned.
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mayfieldh

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Re: Post Office Inside ACE Hardware
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2014, 09:55:53 AM »
yabu, Krogers customer service section is ran by Kroger employees.  Secondly, they take care of a variety of services such as paying utility bills, money orders, lottery tickets and selling stamps.  You are good there..
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