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sammyboy

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Proper Concealed Carry Question
« on: November 30, 2017, 03:29:20 PM »
I have a LTC in Texas but was told by a friend that I am carrying illegally because I don't have the handgun in a holster. I know that for open carry it needs to be in a holster but is that also the case for concealed carry? I have a small 9mm that I keep in my front pocket. It is not possible to see the outline of the gun because I keep a small wallet in the pocket over the gun also.  Thanks.

Katfish

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Re: Proper Concealed Carry Question
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2017, 03:40:43 PM »

A. I am NOT a lawyer!

B. AFAIK - the holster requirement is specifically related to OPEN carry

sammyboy

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Re: Proper Concealed Carry Question
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2017, 03:58:33 PM »
That's exactly what I think as well. I think my friend is confused because of the OC holster requirement.

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Re: Proper Concealed Carry Question
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2017, 08:54:26 PM »
I am reasonably sure Katfish is correct also. I have never seen anything that indicated to me a holster was required for concealed carry - only open carry.

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Re: Proper Concealed Carry Question
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2017, 08:27:29 AM »
Don't know anything about Texas law but have been told current regulations in Texas and Georgia are similar. For decades a holster of some type even for pocket carry was required and ankle holsters forbidden for all but law enforcement. Both of those rules have changed and no longer is a holster required in Georgia and ankle holsters are allowed. Now here is the issue. It was illegal for both so long and even stated so on our weapons license that many older law enforcement officers still believe both rules exist.

So while allowed, it's not uncommon for someone to at least be sternly warned and on occasion taken into the station if an enforcement officer is looking for an excuse. They invoke probable cause and may search a vehicle over this compounding the issue. At this point I would call the 1-877 number on the back of my U.S. Lawshield insurance card and wait for legal representation. But meantime may be sitting in a jail cell with real criminals while wait for the mistake in interpretation to be worked out so choose to follow rules many officers were taught in Post School pre 2010.

Because we had this law on the books for decades and have had a GWL/CWP for almost 34 years 30 of those required pocket holsters have quite the collection. Still put my backup when use a pocket pistol in a holster. First is due to habit, second due to avoid confusion with officers that still believe it's a law but most importantly the design of my holsters disguise the "printing" that there is obviously a gun in my pocket. Can slip a compact 380 in rear pocket and "prints" just like a fat wallet. If drop a S&W M60 or similar small frame wheelgun in front pocket doesn't show side of the cylinder as obvious, gun doesn't get pocket lint and chance of manipulating trigger in either instance as insert, remove or draw weapon is greatly reduced.

Have direct knowledge of three A.D.'s with injuries in law enforcement agencies, all involved a backup in a pocket and no holster. My favorite backup pistol is to this day an AMT 380 backup due to being small, flat and almost square. When it goes in its holster it is square as could want. Like the fact it has thumb and grip safety as well as a round of Hornady Critical Defense even in 380 acp running down through my rear end into thigh does not sound pleasant. Work part time (strictly for fun and employee discount) as gunsmith in a local gunship and number of folks coming in for three pound trigger kits in Glocks for carry stuns me, try to explain they are putting and IPSC/IDPA Unlimited part in a carry gun with no safety to a glazed over look. Advertising works.

A friend had to use his IFAK to save a man in another gun shops parking lot which does not allow loaded firearms in store. Retired gentleman was removing 9mm Glock from pocket and shot himself through hip with a Federal HST that entered hip and made exit low rump/high thigh area that EMT's and doctors said if not for immediate treatment with "Stop Bleed", adhesive bandages over wrapped with self adhesive gauze the man would have surely died. Every vehicle we own has an IFAK as do bedrooms, living room, gun room and reloading room. When go to range have an IFAK in my range bag. Man who shot himself had installed an aftermarket trigger, did not have pistol in holster nor an IFAK in his vehicle. That little digression is my free Christmas bonus.

Again been told Texas firearms law and Georgia laws are so similar at this point that if in either, follow rules your used to and will likely be o.k. but suggest research laws anytime going to a fresh state. Well designed pocket holsters make carry safer, more discreet, keep gun free of debris and reduce chance encounter with old school law enforcement. I see nothing but upside and no negative issues from the use of one and doubt I will ever skip a proper holster for pocket carry. That said, everyone has an opinion and right to it. Won't say it doesn't happen but every accidental self inflicted gunshot I know of involving a pocket gun victim was not using a holster. Never heard first hand of a pocket gun A.D. when pocket holster was in use. Sure if did a fat Google search could find contradictory information on both sides of my reasoning but first person accounts of an incident carry more impact with me.


sammyboy

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Re: Proper Concealed Carry Question
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2017, 01:18:57 PM »
Thank you for that info! It's much appreciated and I think I will try to find a good thin holster for it just in case.

LDP

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Re: Proper Concealed Carry Question
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2018, 03:43:13 PM »
Ignorance of the law is not an excuse.
"Friend said" won't count as defense in the court room.

Texas Penal Code 46.035[/url][/b] spells it out. You need a shoulder or belt holster for open carry. No other holster requirements.
Hope this helps.
LDP

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Re: Proper Concealed Carry Question
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2018, 07:34:34 PM »
The answer is no a holster is not required for LTC. Valid safety issues are already mentioned and should not be ignored. From a practical standpoint a holster gives you stability and a practical presentation (draw, access to thed gun) that you will not have with a gun loose in your pocket. The holsterd should not only fit the specific gun (no one size fits all) and it should fit the pocket that it's carried in - it will fit a lot of pocket styles but not all. You're looking for it to stay put so that the gun is there in the position that you expect it to be in when you reach for it. The holster will also protect the gun and keep it cleaner than a gun carried loose in the pocket. Pocket carry will require more frequent cleaning - lint is a big problem. The holster will also keep other stuff from getting entangled with the gun according to some authorities, but in my opinion only the holstered gun should be carried in that pocket. Note that you will not have easy access if you sitting, if you're laying on that side or hip or leg if you find yourself in a ground struggle - not bad, just reality - take it into consideration. And consider holstering, called it reholstering if you want. A holster that fits the gun rather than a generic that fits so-called all - affords you reliable holstering. You should dry practice and once you master the skill live practice. Practice from all positions: standing, sitting, kneeling, laying on the ground on your side, your back, face down, curled up fetal, etc. etc. Know what your limitations are so to speak. Start you practice slow, practice regularly and correctly - you're ingraining habits, you're laying in the code in your unconscious if you're actually serious about it. Mored than you asked your original question but some, maybe all was alluded to in the other comments. Lots of good comments and advice in this thread.

~Bill McLennan
SAPD (Retired)