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General Firearms Law Discussion / Re: Proper Concealed Carry Question
« Last post by sammyboy on November 30, 2017, 03:58:33 PM »
That's exactly what I think as well. I think my friend is confused because of the OC holster requirement.
General Firearms Law Discussion / Re: Proper Concealed Carry Question
« Last post by Katfish on November 30, 2017, 03:40:43 PM »

A. I am NOT a lawyer!

B. AFAIK - the holster requirement is specifically related to OPEN carry
General Firearms Law Discussion / Proper Concealed Carry Question
« Last post by sammyboy on November 30, 2017, 03:29:20 PM »
I have a LTC in Texas but was told by a friend that I am carrying illegally because I don't have the handgun in a holster. I know that for open carry it needs to be in a holster but is that also the case for concealed carry? I have a small 9mm that I keep in my front pocket. It is not possible to see the outline of the gun because I keep a small wallet in the pocket over the gun also.  Thanks.
General Firearms Law Discussion / National Reciprocity in NJ
« Last post by Rich L on November 30, 2017, 09:46:14 AM »
I see that National Reciprocity is coming up for consideration in Congress.  I know that NJ (My home) will do whatever they can to prevent us from being included.  I am wondering how they will prevent me from exercising my Florida permit.  Any comments?
Ask the Lawyers / Church Security Website Help, Please!!!
« Last post by Hueyville on November 30, 2017, 09:28:45 AM »
This is not a plug for my new website but appeal for help.

Saw the thread asking about Florida church security laws and am wrestling with same subject in Georgia. Have spent over two decades doing volunteer security in whatever church the Lord had me in at the time. Remember in late 1960's when following an incident in our family church in Marietta GA, went with my father to buy his first handgun. He was a deacon of a very large church and following the incident which as a second grader do not remember any details, but going to the gun store with dad is ingrained in my mind. All deacons armed themselves and were the church security as thus seen it as an issue going back to childhood. My father was deacon till death and always carried in church.

I joined US Law shield when realized church was acting Head of Security with a dozen men under me had "opted out", dropped their written approval for carry on campus without telling the team. Spent two weeks trying to resolve the issue and due to budget issues staff said they could not afford to "opt in" or form a legal Blue Card armed security team. Felt forced to resign as was the scapegoat if staff claimed had no idea a group was violating church rules and conducting security work post incident.

Pastor asked team to keep their posts based on his verbal permission but in no way could I get a document, email or even text message saying had permission to carry on campus. 27 paid staff members but wanted free security team and not carry additional insurance to "opt in" so we were walking past weapons free campus signs. As Head of Security they had been to several security classes where taught what my church has was doing violated Georgia law. I hated leaving my decade of service and church home over this but felt I could not break state law because pastor and staff wanted to save money on churches liability insurance.

Right now discussing taking same position with eight churches that have a positive "opt in" policy but say cannot afford to certify security team with Georgia Blue Cards for armed security guards. My information says paid or volunteer, if working on a "armed team", then certification is required but information came from training consultants not lawyers. Since the recent church shooting in Texas decided to use my knowledge to build a totally free website to help churches build quality security teams and procedures. It is currently running as a sub domain of an old website I have and until the Texas event was working on an AR 15 website which have put on hold.

Once the site is at least halfway to point I want am keeping on my personal server but once have it polished plan to host on dedicated server out of my pocket. I really need people well versed or at least know the basics of what a church can and cannot do in a particular state to write a page or more concerning their laws on church security. I cannot afford to pay lawyers in dozens of states for this but would give links on any pages they offered to their site or sites of their choosing. Have U.S. Lawshield link on my links page already. To see what have done in past few weeks go to and all feedback is appreciated. Whether legal advice, tactics or documentation. Will take articles from experienced church security team members as well.

Have caught sexual predators, faced people with intent to shoot up a church and team was able to control the situation with nobody hurt nor service interrupted. Want to take a new post but until feel confident in legal requirements am hesitant to find myself in a legal mess because improperly informed. Also don't want to pass up an opportunity to help due to unmerited legal paranoia. All advice, help and corrections are appreciated. My best web address for this project is on the website. Blessings to all y'all holding a post and hope to be back in the game soon. Meantime will keep working on gathering information and posting it. My ultimate goal is a state by state database with legal implications of operating an internal volunteer church security team using CWL holders.
Ask the Lawyers / Re: Church Security Team and Florida Law
« Last post by TexasLawShield on November 27, 2017, 02:36:18 PM »

Thank you for your questions. Due to the complexity of the issue, please reach out to our independent program attorneys at 877-448-6839 who will be able to assist you further.

Ask the Lawyers / Re: Tasers and Stun Guns in NJ
« Last post by fakwak1987 on November 26, 2017, 09:09:12 AM »
I am hearing from gun groups that attorneys in NJ are not consistent in whether or not tasers are legal to carry.  I would like to know from TXUSLawshield if they believe the law allows us to carry.  I do not want to get caught up in a legal matter by being arrested and loosing my job and my freedom in life.   
Ask the Lawyers / Re: Carrying in ATV parks
« Last post by TexasLawShield on November 22, 2017, 11:31:19 AM »

Thanks for your question. In Texas, you are allowed to carry a handgun concealed on your person in your motor vehicle or concealed anywhere in your motor vehicle. The Texas definition of “motor vehicles” includes ATVs.

If you have a Texas License to Carry (LTC), you can also open carry in a belt or shoulder holster.

Remember, even without an LTC, you are allowed to conceal a firearm on your person while in the vehicle or in your ATV, but you can’t open carry.  This means that it should stay locked up in a box or cased while you’re out of the ATV.
Ask the Lawyers / Re: Tasers and Stun Guns in NJ
« Last post by TexasLawShield on November 22, 2017, 11:30:46 AM »

The US LawShield program covers the use of any legal weapon in a place that weapon is legally possessed.  In addition, our program in New Jersey covers any incident where our member is criminally charged with a violation of New Jersey Statutes 2C:39-3 or 2C:39-5 involving a firearm, weapon, ammunition, or large capacity magazine.
Ask the Lawyers / Church Security Team and Florida Law
« Last post by 10canyon53 on November 20, 2017, 11:18:40 AM »
My church is putting together a security/medical team and I was wondering just how organized we can get while staying within Florida law.  The team is all volunteer and is not restricted to CWFL licensees.  In fact, volunteers are not even asked whether they have a CWFL or carry concealed.  The core of the team is made up of law enforcement officers and EMS personnel.  To stay legal, does all organization need to stay verbal, not written down?  Can we get training as a group, or does all training have to be acquired privately and individually?  Is there a level of organization that requires a security license?  Are there any other legal issues we need to be aware of?  We are trying to provide a safe environment while staying on the right side of the law.
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