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Ask the Lawyers / Re: CO Employee/Employer Car parked on Employers property
« Last post by DurangoNomad on February 09, 2018, 04:40:46 PM »
Believe it or not there's no room anywhere to park off of company property. 
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Ask the Lawyers / Re: CO Employee/Employer Car parked on Employers property
« Last post by Katfish on February 09, 2018, 04:19:26 PM »

Well DN I am NOT a Lawyer

And I do dearly miss those wonderful Mountains! (I lived in Denver from '93 - '03)

My very first though: "How far of a walk is it to park on the street off of company property?"

sometimes simple aint so simple but I had to ask..........................
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Ask the Lawyers / CO Employee/Employer Car parked on Employers property
« Last post by DurangoNomad on February 09, 2018, 03:15:17 PM »
Good afternoon,
  This is a big one in these parts.  We are an employ at will state first off.  I get that.  We are also a state where my vehicle is an extension of my home...BUT...it's their property.  I am also a CCW holder so I can carry concealed where legal.  We are also an open carry state.  I lock my vehicle while on company property BUT it's in our policy to not only NOT have a firearm in a vehicle but they have the right to search ANY vehicle at any time for any reason.  To top it all off it's also in our policy (because we have a high-end CNC machine shop on site and several "gunsmiths") that after hours we can bring unloaded firearms (minus ammunition) INTO the shop for conversions, machine work, etc.  Very confusing.  So in the unlikely event, I was searched and/or terminated, what are the laws and/or my rights. 
Grateful for any information.  New to the forum and it rocks!
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Ask the Lawyers / Re: New Marijuana Laws in Colorado and CCW
« Last post by DurangoNomad on February 09, 2018, 03:04:22 PM »
Great question and great answer.  Thank you.
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Any feedback/info on this same question for Colorado?  YES, there's an employee handbook forbidding firearms even in our locked cars and they have the right to search any employees vehicle at any time.  Colorado is also an Employ At Will state.
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Ask the Lawyers / Re: Legality of carrying with "Clipdraw"
« Last post by Neighbor on February 07, 2018, 04:57:01 PM »
I'm a little confused MRJLW. On one hand you indicate you only plan to carry concealed and the TLS lawyer indicated there is no holster requirement for concealed carry - so how can there be a "grey area" to get you in trouble if you don't even have to use a holster for concealed carry (and if you do use a holster, the law doesn't indicate a requirement at all).

Appears to me the only time the the so called grey area comes into question is if you decide to open carry with a clip draw.
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Ask the Lawyers / Re: Legality of carrying with "Clipdraw"
« Last post by mrjlw on February 07, 2018, 02:31:30 PM »
I completely agree with your definition of "concealed".

What I'm bringing into question is, using a device that is a gray area to what a "holster" is, is that something that, because it is not well-defined, could be cause for me to lose my justification of using deadly force in defense of myself, property, or others. In other words, if crap hit the fan, would/could Clipdraw be a hole in my defense that could potentially "sink the ship" and lose a legal battle.

I hope lawmakers can bring a better definition to the table in regards to this; I would hate for my use of a clip on my firearm to be my downfall if I had to use my firearm.
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Ask the Lawyers / Re: Legality of carrying with "Clipdraw"
« Last post by Katfish on February 06, 2018, 03:55:19 PM »

I'm certainly NOT a Lawyer!

IMHO - "concealed" is concealed.....................pants pocket  /  sock  /  boot  /  waistband of pants / jacket or vest pocket - as long as the weapon cannot be seen by others.................YMMV
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Ask the Lawyers / Re: Legality of carrying with "Clipdraw"
« Last post by mrjlw on February 06, 2018, 03:31:38 PM »
Thank you for that reply. Very informative. I plan to only conceal carry.

Would you recommend simply using an actual holster to be safe than sorry, or is using Clipdraw too much of a liability with it being a bit of a gray area?

Only reason I ask, is because I have found that I can conceal 10 times easier using clipdraw than any holster I've ever tried, and on top of that, it's much more comfortable in my opinion. But, like you said, I'd rather take away any possibility of me being at fault if I were to find myself in a situation where I had to discharge my firearm, than to risk potentially losing any legal battle because of a simple clip attached to my firearm.
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sacvet,

1.     Yes your reading of the statute is correct.  If you do not have a CWFL, then the firearm must be in a secured case and not in your manual possession (in your hand).  The safest way of transporting a firearm on a public conveyance is to have it secured and stored in the luggage department under the bus or at least in a place you cannot reach the firearm. 
2.   Yes trolleys open to the public for transportation would be considered a public conveyance. 
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